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[edit] Editing Tickipedia
--Erps 19:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC) Added CALENDAR to this tickipedia. Look http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Calendar_(Barrylb) for details and how to include calendar events. Hope it is useful. erps
--Colo , 28 Dec 08. Dear Chrismmm, the effort you put into tickipedia is appreciated. The many major changes you did all in one day are confusing me. A few things I dont like are:
- that you deleted a lot of content on the main page at once, including the world champs tables on the main page,
- to force a "no table of contents" (everyone who does not like it can easily hide it with one click),
- the wipe out of "general/technical" at the beginning ...
Beeing one of a few people who helped with designing the pages structure in the last weeks and months I would like to know some other opinions about how to edit tickipedia in the future. A bit more discussion especially amongst those that edit regularily seems to be helpful to me. Greetings, Colo.
--Answer from Chrismmm_1987 , 29 Dec 08 :-) :
Hey colo, thx for your feedback. I know, it's only a try and if the community don't like this one it's ok for me to resume the old starting page. IMO the advantages of this one are that you've got all important information with one view. Furthmore my aim was to arrange the starting page more clearly, with regard to the upcoming tournamentS. Concerning your points:
- well, you're right, i forgot to include the champ tables in that version. No problem to paste them. Furthermore I've deleted the whole NC 2008 information at the starting page, but I have added them all in the NC 2008 article.
- For me a NOTOC was reasonable cause it's a starting page and like written above I would like to have all important information with one view. I don't know if its necessary to have a TOC at the starting page (wikipedia hasn't also one ;-) )
- there is a simple reason for each point I wiped out from the beginning:
- logo challenge --> no answers since two months
- TTR League --> included it into featured articles
- Ticket Poll --> includued it into featured articles
Hope I could answer your questions. I am looking forward to any further feedback. ;-)
Chris
P.S.: If this version doesnt fit to the community it's no problem to go back to the old one.
Zeno 02:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC) Perhaps from now on, any major redesign should be left in the sandbox stage for 1 week, with an announcement on the front page that a new version is being proposed. Those who are interested can comment on the sandbox version before it is deployed. In Chris's case, i was able to see his version beforehand (on his User page), because he asked me a question. From now on, let's extend the same courtesy to any member of the community.
[edit] New logo needed
--Erps 10:02, 23 October 2008 (UTC) I think we need a better logo. Maybe there is someone out there who has some graphic skills (or is it called vivid skills ;)?) Elements on logo should be
- train/loco
- Tickipedia
- Ticket To Ride
[edit] Where do we post important information?
--Masimo 10:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)I just put some information on the first page but was not so very happy with that. I thought maybee we should have a seperate link to an "important info" page? Is it possible to have that so that when you enter the main page one sees that new info has been added? Keeping the main page short but still making sure that the info is seen - is that possible?
Zeno: I think that we can afford 5-10 lines above the recap during Nation's cup, fewer if the text is big.. More than that, and I think it should go elswhere. One possible suggestion for a longer post is to give an idea of the post in a line or two, and then a link to this page, and the appropriate subtopic for the continuation.
[edit] Is there a better way to include ties in the results?
--Erps 21:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC) I don't like the 3-2-1 result look. First ties are not counting in NC, so why adding them anyway? Second it it absolutly not clear in which order the result is given. In germany the normal order is wins-ties-losses and in US (i think) it is win-losses-ties (here used i asume). So please if you add the ties make () around. So a 3-1-(2) is clear. Or make the first 2 digits bold.
Elric : I agree for both points. IMHO, not adding ties in NC results would be the best (because they don't count !). If some people add them anyway, putting ties in brackets () is better than nothing.
--Erps 19:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC) Changed the format, please use "<win>-<loss> (<number of> ties)"
[edit] Is mixing and repeted informations useful ?
Elric : We have now 3 separated major informations in this main page : 1) Daily resume on the top with last results and schedules of the day, 2) all scheduled (and not) games below, 3) results by groups and by clashes at the bottom.
Imho, I still think (and Colo told me the same recently) that we don't need to repeat and mix all informations in all parts.
For example, we already have the scheduled games set by date in part 2 (and also some in part 1), if we add them in part 3 too (results by groups and by clashes), it's just redundant information with the risk of misupdating, and to get in the final a 'too heavy' page.
If we can keep this page clear and simple as long as possible, it will 'live' longer and users will be happier to come and visit it.
Without any comment for the opposite, I will try to keep this page on this way, and will suppress redundant informations when it's obvious that it doesn't help a lot.
Colo: I second what Elric says. When I added tables under 4.4 I did not see that there were already tables, on seperate pages. Now there are tables in the "daily recap". Therefore I deleted "my" tables under 4.4.
Personally I think that ALL information should be listen and linked from the content of the main page. Thats why I moved the links to the other pages having tables into this index (1.2, 1.3). I think the "recap" should also be "listed" in that index.
Kolmo : I agree that we should strive at One and Only One Space. But that depends upon the information architecture. Being a wiki, that architecture will evolve. So we might be obliged to tolerate duplication. A neat trick would be to be able to categorize game pages in a way that we could list them automagically. The important thing is to automate the process : it can be something else than Categories.
Besides, this first page will become secondary pretty soon. The first page should be the portal of all the relevant informations concerning Ticket-to-Ride, if it's a Tickipedia. So the events reports are only one way to use the wiki.
I really enjoy what we have now. Keep up the good and positive work !
[edit] Should we redesign Main Page?
use prominent links at the top to
- Standings
- Current Round Results
- Past Round Results
- Schedule
- Teams
- Other links
and underneath put the schedule for the current day only and the results of the current day only. Currently the table of contents dominates the main page too much, and what we want is a directional page to send people to where they need to go.
Angil: I like the idea of splitting out more of the content into subpages. The team table (by group) and the forth-coming matches are most useful to me. I think we can use {{:Include-page}} (correct syntax?) to embed other pages within the main-page - and experiment with what looks best.
Papi: Yes its correct {{:Include-page}} to include the content of other pages...
--Masimo 10:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)I think a page for important info would be nice so we don`t need to put that all on the first page. But is there a way that everybody can see that there is something new on this page when entering the main page? (I added the same question as 1.1)
[edit] Should we restrict the access to tickipedia to registered users?
I would say no, because the spirit of wickis say no to this. I don't see vandalism here and sometimes someone will do a quick update on the results
Zeno: No, for the reasons above. However, I would prefer that people try to act as registered users as much as possible. That way, when there are two or more people doing basically the same task, they can get together to decide best practices.
PapiXulu: I think no... but I'm not registering at anytime... I think that nobody is gonna delete or erase anything and that everybody has to be able to write something easy.
Angil: I was nervous initially, but I agree, keeping it open is good, if we can. I have heard of wikis being attacked "just for kicks", but I'm not sure its common-place, so the risk is probably small.
Erps: There will be some pages i will protect. The SPWC Tournament Grids will be protected, editing should only be allowed for Sysops. For such informations it is a good idea to make an extra page and then include them {{:<includepage>}} into the full editable pages about the events.
[edit] Should we sort the games by clash not by day or both?
Zeno: I would prefer a sort by day. If in addition there is someone who wants to do a parallel sort by clash, that is fine with me.
Erps: We alread have the "Rounds"-Section. It should be possible to set the date there too and maybe sort the matches by date and not scheduled (the lineup order is non important anymore after it's done!)
PapiXulu: I think that to have the first information sorted by day is perfect. Then one goes to the Group of interest and watch the results as a global (not lasts are important)
Kolmo: If we categorize the games' page by date, we can list them all automagically.
[edit] Should we add the current ranking to the team table?
Zeno: It is always interesting to see how teams rise and fall during the tournament. It also helps to identify which groups are perhaps a bit stronger, and which a bit weaker. If your second place team moves above another group's first place team, or if your fifth place team jumps above some of the fourth place teams, it shows a certain level of competition. Again, it relies on someone jumping in and deciding it is worthwhile to maintain it.
toutoune: Yes! that is at the end the most important numbers! We need it! ideally RFAD template form
PapiXulu: I think it's a good information. Nevertheless I think is though to get t and put it on the Ticki on a good format.
[edit] Are we going to have an MVP table this year?
stemayf: Zeno produced a couple on Shamogi's site last year. I added a further table using a slightly different formula. All were good.
Zeno: I've held off because right now it is a list of people who won two matches, ranked either by game differential, proportion or opponent comp ELO. I was planning on waiting until round 3 action was mostly complete. If I get to it, I'll produce one earlier, but early season statistics are at best a curiousity.
